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		<title>By: johnny blaze</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2008/04/21/business-56/comment-page-1/#comment-10007</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny blaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Psst, IHATEYUPPIES... [Johnny Blaze leans in and whispers.] Middle-class African-Americans and Latinos can be &quot;yuppies&quot; too.

Back to the topic of Silver Spring&#039;s burgeoning retail fashion economy, anyone see this news?


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121556183997437589-search.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psst, IHATEYUPPIES&#8230; [Johnny Blaze leans in and whispers.] Middle-class African-Americans and Latinos can be &#8220;yuppies&#8221; too.</p>
<p>Back to the topic of Silver Spring&#8217;s burgeoning retail fashion economy, anyone see this news?</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121556183997437589-search.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121556183997437589-search.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: IHateYuppies</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2008/04/21/business-56/comment-page-1/#comment-9933</link>
		<dc:creator>IHateYuppies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait...you mean Silver Spring is not all yuppies?  Oh man, I am going to have to change my name.  

The clique of pro-development, pro-gentrification forces cannot come to grips with the demographic realities of Silver Spring.  We will never, ever become Bethesda or Arlington, VA (i.e. predominately white, high-income professional).  There will always be a strong middle-class African-American, Latino and immigrant community here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230;you mean Silver Spring is not all yuppies?  Oh man, I am going to have to change my name.  </p>
<p>The clique of pro-development, pro-gentrification forces cannot come to grips with the demographic realities of Silver Spring.  We will never, ever become Bethesda or Arlington, VA (i.e. predominately white, high-income professional).  There will always be a strong middle-class African-American, Latino and immigrant community here.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer, you are right about Silver Spring&#039;s demographic diversity. My own amateur analysis of the Census data on Thayer Avenue, at http://www.thayeravenue.com/?p=158 shows that a great variety of people live on just one of the streets adjacent to the CBD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer, you are right about Silver Spring&#8217;s demographic diversity. My own amateur analysis of the Census data on Thayer Avenue, at <a href="http://www.thayeravenue.com/?p=158" rel="nofollow">http://www.thayeravenue.com/?p=158</a> shows that a great variety of people live on just one of the streets adjacent to the CBD.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Deseo</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2008/04/21/business-56/comment-page-1/#comment-9906</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Deseo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Silver Spring has a way of confounding marketers. Are we rich or poor? Are we urban or suburban? Did our ancestors arrive on the Mayflower, or did they just step off the plane at Dulles? All of the above?

Further confounding things are the demographic differences between those who live in Silver Spring&#039;s central business district (CBD) and those in the surrounding neighborhoods. (Incidentally, the triangular CBD is bordered by Spring Street to the north, Fenton Street to the east, and Eastern Avenue to the west.) CBD dwellers tend to be younger, less affluent and more ethnically diverse than those in adjacent neighborhoods.

That leads me to drop this whopper on everyone: Whose central business district is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Silver Spring has a way of confounding marketers. Are we rich or poor? Are we urban or suburban? Did our ancestors arrive on the Mayflower, or did they just step off the plane at Dulles? All of the above?</p>
<p>Further confounding things are the demographic differences between those who live in Silver Spring&#8217;s central business district (CBD) and those in the surrounding neighborhoods. (Incidentally, the triangular CBD is bordered by Spring Street to the north, Fenton Street to the east, and Eastern Avenue to the west.) CBD dwellers tend to be younger, less affluent and more ethnically diverse than those in adjacent neighborhoods.</p>
<p>That leads me to drop this whopper on everyone: Whose central business district is it?</p>
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		<title>By: johnny blaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny blaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But WHICH demographics are you talking about? The demographics of Silver Spring? The demographics of the neighborhoods adjacent to DTSS? The demographics of northwest DC (east of 16th street)--and Silver Spring combined?

It&#039;s always been my contention that Silver Spring is too much of a nebulous middle-ground (not overwhelmingly rich, middle-class, or poor) for marketers to get a handle on. That&#039;s why there are no &quot;anchor stores&quot; here yet. People in corporate marketing departments are accustomed to (and comfortable) dealing with MONOLITHIC neighborhoods, towns, etc. In my opinion, Silver Spring would be less of a gamble for certain retailers if it were, say, uniformly lower-middle class. 

Here&#039;s some data I would love to see: The zip codes of all the people who shop, eat, and attend movies in DTSS. I bet there&#039;s some really surprising information there. My guess is that the DTSS isn&#039;t really serving the &quot;needs&quot; of the neighborhoods that are closest to it--and that the overwhelming masses of people down there aren&#039;t from &quot;around here&quot;. If that&#039;s true, &quot;demographics&quot; don&#039;t mean JACK because the group of people who frequent DTSS is a different mix that what you&#039;ll find in Silver Spring at large. What&#039;s happened is that mix of businesses in DTSS (a bad mix in my opinion) is attracting a demogrphic that has nothing to do with locale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But WHICH demographics are you talking about? The demographics of Silver Spring? The demographics of the neighborhoods adjacent to DTSS? The demographics of northwest DC (east of 16th street)&#8211;and Silver Spring combined?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always been my contention that Silver Spring is too much of a nebulous middle-ground (not overwhelmingly rich, middle-class, or poor) for marketers to get a handle on. That&#8217;s why there are no &#8220;anchor stores&#8221; here yet. People in corporate marketing departments are accustomed to (and comfortable) dealing with MONOLITHIC neighborhoods, towns, etc. In my opinion, Silver Spring would be less of a gamble for certain retailers if it were, say, uniformly lower-middle class. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some data I would love to see: The zip codes of all the people who shop, eat, and attend movies in DTSS. I bet there&#8217;s some really surprising information there. My guess is that the DTSS isn&#8217;t really serving the &#8220;needs&#8221; of the neighborhoods that are closest to it&#8211;and that the overwhelming masses of people down there aren&#8217;t from &#8220;around here&#8221;. If that&#8217;s true, &#8220;demographics&#8221; don&#8217;t mean JACK because the group of people who frequent DTSS is a different mix that what you&#8217;ll find in Silver Spring at large. What&#8217;s happened is that mix of businesses in DTSS (a bad mix in my opinion) is attracting a demogrphic that has nothing to do with locale.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Deseo</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2008/04/21/business-56/comment-page-1/#comment-9897</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Deseo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t heard from you in eons, Johnny Blaze! You wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Poor teens and low income people in general spend a lot money on alleged &#039;high-fashion&#039; items such as jeans, footwear, and t-shirts. But you’ll never hear Nike or Adidas talking about targeting &#039;urban poor&#039; – even when this demographic makes up a big portion of their sales.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In my opinion, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.labelnetworks.com/sports/images/192318977_02e5764691_300.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;urban teens&lt;/a&gt; are just as interested in tee shirts, jeans and footwear as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.denimology.co.uk/2007/08/ph1.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hollywood&#039;s trust-fund babies&lt;/a&gt;. They&#039;re all subjects (victims?) of pop culture.

Also, anyone can have disposable income, keyword being &quot;disposable&quot;. The same credit-card companies that target community college students work the Ivy League circuit, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t heard from you in eons, Johnny Blaze! You wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Poor teens and low income people in general spend a lot money on alleged &#8216;high-fashion&#8217; items such as jeans, footwear, and t-shirts. But you’ll never hear Nike or Adidas talking about targeting &#8216;urban poor&#8217; – even when this demographic makes up a big portion of their sales.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>In my opinion, <a href="http://www.labelnetworks.com/sports/images/192318977_02e5764691_300.jpg" rel="nofollow">urban teens</a> are just as interested in tee shirts, jeans and footwear as <a href="http://www.denimology.co.uk/2007/08/ph1.jpg" rel="nofollow">Hollywood&#8217;s trust-fund babies</a>. They&#8217;re all subjects (victims?) of pop culture.</p>
<p>Also, anyone can have disposable income, keyword being &#8220;disposable&#8221;. The same credit-card companies that target community college students work the Ivy League circuit, too.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny blaze</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2008/04/21/business-56/comment-page-1/#comment-9892</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny blaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some the analysis here about why PIECES failed is flawed. Many of you are too fixated on the totally bogus marketing rubric that claimed the store was focused on &quot;young, hip, urbanites with disposable income&quot;. That&#039;s common clap-trap that entrepreneurs write in their business proposals. It makes bankers feel good about extending loans. 

The truth is, poor to middle-income teens are the primary market for &quot;high-fashion tee-shirts&quot;--just like they&#039;re the primary market for brand-name athletic shoes. Look around. Poor teens and low income people in general spend a lot money on alleged &quot;high-fashion&quot; items such as jeans, footwear, and t-shirts. But you&#039;ll never hear Nike or Adidas talking about targeting &quot;urban poor&quot;--even when this demographic makes up a big portion of their sales. Why? It doesn&#039;t have the right ring to investors&#039;s ears.

Anyway, my point is that PIECES failed for two reasons:

1) Location.  As many of you have pointed out, that strip along Georgia is the last place you&#039;d expect to find a hipster clothing store. Who walks over there??? I believe PIECES would have done much better it had been located in somewhere closer to DTSS--perhaps on Ellsworth or on Fenton--but MUCH closer to all the hub-bub. That leads to the next problem...

2) (THIS IS IMPORTANT) PIECES&#039;s owners believed their own press releases. There target market (young, hip urbanites with disposable income) barely exists in Silver Spring. Sure, they were supposedly coming. But they ain&#039;t here. Pieces would have done better to drop their attitude and target the people who are here, who also happen to buy what they were selling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some the analysis here about why PIECES failed is flawed. Many of you are too fixated on the totally bogus marketing rubric that claimed the store was focused on &#8220;young, hip, urbanites with disposable income&#8221;. That&#8217;s common clap-trap that entrepreneurs write in their business proposals. It makes bankers feel good about extending loans. </p>
<p>The truth is, poor to middle-income teens are the primary market for &#8220;high-fashion tee-shirts&#8221;&#8211;just like they&#8217;re the primary market for brand-name athletic shoes. Look around. Poor teens and low income people in general spend a lot money on alleged &#8220;high-fashion&#8221; items such as jeans, footwear, and t-shirts. But you&#8217;ll never hear Nike or Adidas talking about targeting &#8220;urban poor&#8221;&#8211;even when this demographic makes up a big portion of their sales. Why? It doesn&#8217;t have the right ring to investors&#8217;s ears.</p>
<p>Anyway, my point is that PIECES failed for two reasons:</p>
<p>1) Location.  As many of you have pointed out, that strip along Georgia is the last place you&#8217;d expect to find a hipster clothing store. Who walks over there??? I believe PIECES would have done much better it had been located in somewhere closer to DTSS&#8211;perhaps on Ellsworth or on Fenton&#8211;but MUCH closer to all the hub-bub. That leads to the next problem&#8230;</p>
<p>2) (THIS IS IMPORTANT) PIECES&#8217;s owners believed their own press releases. There target market (young, hip urbanites with disposable income) barely exists in Silver Spring. Sure, they were supposedly coming. But they ain&#8217;t here. Pieces would have done better to drop their attitude and target the people who are here, who also happen to buy what they were selling.</p>
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		<title>By: Isayaah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isayaah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Longtime Resident, I really enjoyed your story about how you moved to Silver Spring during the JC Penney, Nordstrom days. When I moved here, Silver Spring was just after its worst state, when City Place was truly &quot;Shitty Place&quot; and my B-CC classmates were not allowed to venture into it. 

Best Buy? Have we all forgotton about the Best Buy 2 metro stops away, (10 min drive) in Wheaton? We don&#039;t need a big electronics store, Best Buy is all over DC too. We need a Dave &amp; Busters on the top floor of Shitty Place. That mall was not planned very well, its confusing on the inside with nothing but hair, shoe and nail places. Silver Spring will never support anything like a Nordstrom or Barneys New York lol, we have Chevy Chase for that. 

What we need is to stay true to the demographics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Longtime Resident, I really enjoyed your story about how you moved to Silver Spring during the JC Penney, Nordstrom days. When I moved here, Silver Spring was just after its worst state, when City Place was truly &#8220;Shitty Place&#8221; and my B-CC classmates were not allowed to venture into it. </p>
<p>Best Buy? Have we all forgotton about the Best Buy 2 metro stops away, (10 min drive) in Wheaton? We don&#8217;t need a big electronics store, Best Buy is all over DC too. We need a Dave &amp; Busters on the top floor of Shitty Place. That mall was not planned very well, its confusing on the inside with nothing but hair, shoe and nail places. Silver Spring will never support anything like a Nordstrom or Barneys New York lol, we have Chevy Chase for that. </p>
<p>What we need is to stay true to the demographics.</p>
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		<title>By: Longtime Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Longtime Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me 2 seconds and one quick walk by the Pieces store to realize it wasn&#039;t going to work. No way, I said to anyone who would listen. I moved to Takoma/Silver Spring area the same year the JCPenney&#039;s left (late 1980s) and about 5 years before City Place was built. A good start for City Place would be to bring back some of the great stores that left. .. .Nordstrom&#039;s Rack, a Hanes Outlet. Throw in a big Best Buy or Bed Bath and Beyond and you might have folks not having to run up to Wheaton for a Macy&#039;s or over to Montgomery Mall for Old Navy and the Gap. Steve and Barry&#039;s was better than I expected (really not too different than Old Navy). Burlington Coat Factory has some good deals if you can see through the dust and grime---why hasn&#039;t the City Place management notified the national chain of Burlington that this local store is in need of some real clean up! Speaking of clean up, is it just me or last time I walked through DSW there was a lot of mess--shoes, empty boxes in the aisles, etc. I didn&#039;t see that kind of mess when I used to shop at the Bethesda DSW. ... . 

When are we going to realize that SS is a real mix--low income to moderately high incomes. We need a mix of big chains and small shop owners--but the small shop owners have to cater to more than just one group to stay alive. Pieces catered to only one small segment--young, hip, and fairly well-off. I don&#039;t think there will ever be a large enough bloc of these types in SS. There&#039;s plenty of us older, less hip, and comfortable but still not going to pay $60 for a t-shirt folks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me 2 seconds and one quick walk by the Pieces store to realize it wasn&#8217;t going to work. No way, I said to anyone who would listen. I moved to Takoma/Silver Spring area the same year the JCPenney&#8217;s left (late 1980s) and about 5 years before City Place was built. A good start for City Place would be to bring back some of the great stores that left. .. .Nordstrom&#8217;s Rack, a Hanes Outlet. Throw in a big Best Buy or Bed Bath and Beyond and you might have folks not having to run up to Wheaton for a Macy&#8217;s or over to Montgomery Mall for Old Navy and the Gap. Steve and Barry&#8217;s was better than I expected (really not too different than Old Navy). Burlington Coat Factory has some good deals if you can see through the dust and grime&#8212;why hasn&#8217;t the City Place management notified the national chain of Burlington that this local store is in need of some real clean up! Speaking of clean up, is it just me or last time I walked through DSW there was a lot of mess&#8211;shoes, empty boxes in the aisles, etc. I didn&#8217;t see that kind of mess when I used to shop at the Bethesda DSW. &#8230; . </p>
<p>When are we going to realize that SS is a real mix&#8211;low income to moderately high incomes. We need a mix of big chains and small shop owners&#8211;but the small shop owners have to cater to more than just one group to stay alive. Pieces catered to only one small segment&#8211;young, hip, and fairly well-off. I don&#8217;t think there will ever be a large enough bloc of these types in SS. There&#8217;s plenty of us older, less hip, and comfortable but still not going to pay $60 for a t-shirt folks!</p>
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		<title>By: Springvale Roader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Springvale Roader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JG, I&#039;m sure that if you buy your pasta from DeMarco and cook it yourself, it will be excellent, but my wife and I ate there for the first time last Saturday and thought the food and service were mediocre at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JG, I&#8217;m sure that if you buy your pasta from DeMarco and cook it yourself, it will be excellent, but my wife and I ate there for the first time last Saturday and thought the food and service were mediocre at best.</p>
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