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		<title>By: b</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/09/19/business-31/comment-page-1/#comment-2066</link>
		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the years DTSS had been sold on a Birchmere, and then just before delivery things got weird. Now, in a matter of weeks, we are getting something completely different. There will be people forced to defend their decisions, and only those that turn pro will survive. I for one can&#039;t wait to read the responces once the new venue is announced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the years DTSS had been sold on a Birchmere, and then just before delivery things got weird. Now, in a matter of weeks, we are getting something completely different. There will be people forced to defend their decisions, and only those that turn pro will survive. I for one can&#8217;t wait to read the responces once the new venue is announced.</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/09/19/business-31/comment-page-1/#comment-2051</link>
		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whirli B,  and as the good doctor said, &quot;When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Editor&#039;s note: Please stay on point. -- JD (Sep 20, 2007)&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whirli B,  and as the good doctor said, &#8220;When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro&#8221;.</p>
<p><em>Editor&#8217;s note: Please stay on point. &#8212; JD (Sep 20, 2007)</em></p>
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		<title>By: Tiddy</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/09/19/business-31/comment-page-1/#comment-2049</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sooo... sounds like there&#039;s a good sense of the new company that is moving in to fill the spot where the Birchmere was supposed to go.

When are they disclosing the name or does anything already have that info to leak available?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sooo&#8230; sounds like there&#8217;s a good sense of the new company that is moving in to fill the spot where the Birchmere was supposed to go.</p>
<p>When are they disclosing the name or does anything already have that info to leak available?</p>
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		<title>By: Whirli B</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/09/19/business-31/comment-page-1/#comment-2048</link>
		<dc:creator>Whirli B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Hunter S. Thompson said: &quot;The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There&#039;s also a negative side.&quot;

Corporate sponsored music venues like Live Nation suck the heart and soul from music, all the while doping us into thinking our music proclivities are unique and say something extraordinary about our personalities.  And they do: we&#039;re consuming lemmings.

By the way, Live Nation only does bookings for Rams Head Live, it doesn&#039;t &quot;run&quot;, operate or own them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Hunter S. Thompson said: &#8220;The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There&#8217;s also a negative side.&#8221;</p>
<p>Corporate sponsored music venues like Live Nation suck the heart and soul from music, all the while doping us into thinking our music proclivities are unique and say something extraordinary about our personalities.  And they do: we&#8217;re consuming lemmings.</p>
<p>By the way, Live Nation only does bookings for Rams Head Live, it doesn&#8217;t &#8220;run&#8221;, operate or own them.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Richardson</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/09/19/business-31/comment-page-1/#comment-2044</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a deep breath, Paul - not interested in continuing this flame war.  This was my first posting on a blog and I thought comments were inspected before being posted.  That whole postscript was intended as an aside for the moderator - that it got published was my &quot;mistake.&quot;  

Lastly, I go to standing-room-only clubs all the time.  I don&#039;t consider myself &quot;above&quot; them.  The overwhelming majority of live shows that I attend are in these kinds of venues.  What would be nice in this discussion is if more people advocated for a venue whose artists appeal to the WIDEST cross-section of people in our diverse community.  How about a venue that appeals to all ages, all backgrounds instead of some narrow demographic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a deep breath, Paul &#8211; not interested in continuing this flame war.  This was my first posting on a blog and I thought comments were inspected before being posted.  That whole postscript was intended as an aside for the moderator &#8211; that it got published was my &#8220;mistake.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Lastly, I go to standing-room-only clubs all the time.  I don&#8217;t consider myself &#8220;above&#8221; them.  The overwhelming majority of live shows that I attend are in these kinds of venues.  What would be nice in this discussion is if more people advocated for a venue whose artists appeal to the WIDEST cross-section of people in our diverse community.  How about a venue that appeals to all ages, all backgrounds instead of some narrow demographic?</p>
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		<title>By: paul_silver_spring</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/09/19/business-31/comment-page-1/#comment-2039</link>
		<dc:creator>paul_silver_spring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I thought “ad hominem” attacks were discouraged on this blog. Paul Silver’s “joke” that “I think Mr. Richardson is looking for a place he can sit down and bob his head along to oldtime music” is insulting&quot;

As I find Mr. Richardson&#039;s take on standing room clubs as places &quot;have to stand the entire time, tolerate a certain amount of noise from the audience, and experience a much more impersonal level of service&quot; to be quite insulting to others tastes in music and atmosphere - particularly considering downtown&#039;s evolving demographic. So perhaps I am not the only one who needs to restrain my comments regarding others&#039; personal tastes.

To add, I would find it as a description of the atmosphere that your  letter describes, not an “ad hominem” attack.  If are not interested in critiques of your public statements then I suggest you not make them.  I simply make the point that a large majority of the music that the 20-30&#039;s demographic that largely populates the central business district listens to is not well accomodated by a seated venue.  And the county has already spent millions or our tax dollars on a seated venue - strathmore - which promotes plenty of the music that I listen to as well, and I should I want to indulge that side of my musical tastes I have little trouble hopping on bus to travel the handful of miles down the road.  Should I wish to indulge my other musical tastes - those would be the rude ones that interrupt people by standing and dancing and other impersonal activities like that - I&#039;ve love to be able to do that within the county as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I thought “ad hominem” attacks were discouraged on this blog. Paul Silver’s “joke” that “I think Mr. Richardson is looking for a place he can sit down and bob his head along to oldtime music” is insulting&#8221;</p>
<p>As I find Mr. Richardson&#8217;s take on standing room clubs as places &#8220;have to stand the entire time, tolerate a certain amount of noise from the audience, and experience a much more impersonal level of service&#8221; to be quite insulting to others tastes in music and atmosphere &#8211; particularly considering downtown&#8217;s evolving demographic. So perhaps I am not the only one who needs to restrain my comments regarding others&#8217; personal tastes.</p>
<p>To add, I would find it as a description of the atmosphere that your  letter describes, not an “ad hominem” attack.  If are not interested in critiques of your public statements then I suggest you not make them.  I simply make the point that a large majority of the music that the 20-30&#8217;s demographic that largely populates the central business district listens to is not well accomodated by a seated venue.  And the county has already spent millions or our tax dollars on a seated venue &#8211; strathmore &#8211; which promotes plenty of the music that I listen to as well, and I should I want to indulge that side of my musical tastes I have little trouble hopping on bus to travel the handful of miles down the road.  Should I wish to indulge my other musical tastes &#8211; those would be the rude ones that interrupt people by standing and dancing and other impersonal activities like that &#8211; I&#8217;ve love to be able to do that within the county as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/09/19/business-31/comment-page-1/#comment-2036</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The suggestion that the effort to bring Birchmere to Silver Spring is not correct.  The County invited Birchmere to take a look at Silver Spring over five years ago.  They looked at several spaces before a decision was made to build a new building behind the JC Penney facade on Colesville.  This would require public funds.  There was some political resistance to putting up the funds.  Word got around and a grassroots support group formed to support the request for public funds through Silver Spring Forward.  There was no public process to bring Birchmere to Silver Spring.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Editor&#039;s note: Gary Stith is director of the Silver Spring Regional Center. Thanks, Gary! -- JD (Sep 20, 2007)&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The suggestion that the effort to bring Birchmere to Silver Spring is not correct.  The County invited Birchmere to take a look at Silver Spring over five years ago.  They looked at several spaces before a decision was made to build a new building behind the JC Penney facade on Colesville.  This would require public funds.  There was some political resistance to putting up the funds.  Word got around and a grassroots support group formed to support the request for public funds through Silver Spring Forward.  There was no public process to bring Birchmere to Silver Spring.</p>
<p><em>Editor&#8217;s note: Gary Stith is director of the Silver Spring Regional Center. Thanks, Gary! &#8212; JD (Sep 20, 2007)</em></p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The developer&#039;s web site reports that the proposed seating capacity is comparable to that of AFI and the Majestic 20.  For clarification, AFI has fewer seats (675 across three theaters) and the Majestic has quite a bit more (~4,500 across 20 theaters).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The developer&#8217;s web site reports that the proposed seating capacity is comparable to that of AFI and the Majestic 20.  For clarification, AFI has fewer seats (675 across three theaters) and the Majestic has quite a bit more (~4,500 across 20 theaters).</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Richardson</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/09/19/business-31/comment-page-1/#comment-2033</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chris Richardson responds to Chaz and Paul Silver:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I go to 9:30 Club and Black Cat ALL the time - I even have the ticket stubs to prove it. I know these clubs very intimately and have nothing against them per se.  But that&#039;s not what&#039;s really at issue.  My biggest concern is that this project began life as a community-led initiative to situate the Birchmere opposite the AFI, but now the situation has essentially flipped from being bottom-up to being top-down.  The lack of transparency and disregard for community input is what we should all be concerned about here.  The public investment accounts for over 70% of the total funds (per the Gazette).  For those of us who live in Silver Spring, this is our Main Street.  If the county is going to use public money, then we all have a say in this project.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;P.S.&lt;br /&gt;
I thought &quot;ad hominem&quot; attacks were discouraged on this blog.  Paul Silver&#039;s &quot;joke&quot; that &quot;I think Mr. Richardson is looking for a place he can sit down and bob his head along to oldtime music&quot; is insulting given that Mr. Richardson&#039;s own music collection is huge, vast, and truly &quot;catholic&quot; in terms of diversity and breadth.  Mr. Richardson actively seeks out the best of old and new music.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Editor&#039;s note: Mr. Richardson&#039;s comments have been edited for content. -- JD (Sep 20, 2007)&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Richardson responds to Chaz and Paul Silver:</p>
<p>I go to 9:30 Club and Black Cat ALL the time &#8211; I even have the ticket stubs to prove it. I know these clubs very intimately and have nothing against them per se.  But that&#8217;s not what&#8217;s really at issue.  My biggest concern is that this project began life as a community-led initiative to situate the Birchmere opposite the AFI, but now the situation has essentially flipped from being bottom-up to being top-down.  The lack of transparency and disregard for community input is what we should all be concerned about here.  The public investment accounts for over 70% of the total funds (per the Gazette).  For those of us who live in Silver Spring, this is our Main Street.  If the county is going to use public money, then we all have a say in this project.  </p>
<p>P.S.<br />
I thought &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; attacks were discouraged on this blog.  Paul Silver&#8217;s &#8220;joke&#8221; that &#8220;I think Mr. Richardson is looking for a place he can sit down and bob his head along to oldtime music&#8221; is insulting given that Mr. Richardson&#8217;s own music collection is huge, vast, and truly &#8220;catholic&#8221; in terms of diversity and breadth.  Mr. Richardson actively seeks out the best of old and new music.</p>
<p><em>Editor&#8217;s note: Mr. Richardson&#8217;s comments have been edited for content. &#8212; JD (Sep 20, 2007)</em></p>
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		<title>By: paul_silver_spring</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/09/19/business-31/comment-page-1/#comment-2028</link>
		<dc:creator>paul_silver_spring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While I agree with the overall sentiment that a single (or rather... 2) giant company controlling the vast majority of the media market is a bad idea - I think Mr. Richardson is looking for a place he can sit down and bob his head along to oldtime music :-)   The demographic of downtown SS is quickly becoming young 20&#039;s &amp; 30&#039;s couples that for the most part are very well served by a standing room venue and actually don&#039;t WANT to sit down and bob their head when they go to a show.  I&#039;d be VERY happy to see something that&#039;s re-configurable as either seating or standing depending upon the nature of the show.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Editor&#039;s note: This comment has been edited for content. -- JD (Sep 19, 2007)&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the overall sentiment that a single (or rather&#8230; 2) giant company controlling the vast majority of the media market is a bad idea &#8211; I think Mr. Richardson is looking for a place he can sit down and bob his head along to oldtime music :-)   The demographic of downtown SS is quickly becoming young 20&#8217;s &#038; 30&#8217;s couples that for the most part are very well served by a standing room venue and actually don&#8217;t WANT to sit down and bob their head when they go to a show.  I&#8217;d be VERY happy to see something that&#8217;s re-configurable as either seating or standing depending upon the nature of the show.</p>
<p><em>Editor&#8217;s note: This comment has been edited for content. &#8212; JD (Sep 19, 2007)</em></p>
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