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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/07/11/development-28/comment-page-1/#comment-1181</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m interested in the comments so far and am looking forward to more discussion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As a Woodside resident, I&#039;m not opposed to the development of the site. It&#039;s a great opportunity for a non-profit agency to create an exemplary model that may influence commercial development.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, I don&#039;t like the current plan, where the Park &amp; Planning agency is turning over most of the site to standard commercial development in turn for a ca. $70M dollar headquarters that has expanded to 170,000 s.f. since the first design in February.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And they&#039;re not even getting maximum residential occupancy.  The residential developer is Bozutto, which has given this area the hit-and-run 5-story apartment wall at the convergence of Viers Mill &amp; Georgia.  Anything over 5 stories requires steel framing, which decreases the per-unit profit. So these apartment/condos will be 5 stories.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At this point we have no opportunity to be heard or discuss options because Park &amp; Planning, which is both the beneficiary and regulator, has turned down requests to work with a community advisory committee or independent, outside planning agency.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Editor&#039;s note: Just an FYI ... Some posts have been appearing as long paragraphs. I&#039;ve been breaking them down into smaller, easier-on-the-eye paragraphs with line breaks. Unless noted, none of the content has been edited. Thanks! -- JD (Jul 13, 2007)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested in the comments so far and am looking forward to more discussion.</p>
<p>As a Woodside resident, I&#8217;m not opposed to the development of the site. It&#8217;s a great opportunity for a non-profit agency to create an exemplary model that may influence commercial development.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t like the current plan, where the Park &#038; Planning agency is turning over most of the site to standard commercial development in turn for a ca. $70M dollar headquarters that has expanded to 170,000 s.f. since the first design in February.</p>
<p>And they&#8217;re not even getting maximum residential occupancy.  The residential developer is Bozutto, which has given this area the hit-and-run 5-story apartment wall at the convergence of Viers Mill &#038; Georgia.  Anything over 5 stories requires steel framing, which decreases the per-unit profit. So these apartment/condos will be 5 stories.</p>
<p>At this point we have no opportunity to be heard or discuss options because Park &#038; Planning, which is both the beneficiary and regulator, has turned down requests to work with a community advisory committee or independent, outside planning agency.</p>
<p><em>Editor&#8217;s note: Just an FYI &#8230; Some posts have been appearing as long paragraphs. I&#8217;ve been breaking them down into smaller, easier-on-the-eye paragraphs with line breaks. Unless noted, none of the content has been edited. Thanks! &#8212; JD (Jul 13, 2007)</em></p>
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		<title>By: Woodsider</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/07/11/development-28/comment-page-1/#comment-1178</link>
		<dc:creator>Woodsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And while there are plenty of architects in Woodside, let&#039;s not forget the Landscape Architects, Urban Planners (sometimes the same thing) and Civil Engineers...all of whom are not only able to read and understand the site specific plans, but are able to place the development within the context of the surrounding neighborhood (urban or residential). I personally know 2 or 3 of each that live within a few miles of here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while there are plenty of architects in Woodside, let&#8217;s not forget the Landscape Architects, Urban Planners (sometimes the same thing) and Civil Engineers&#8230;all of whom are not only able to read and understand the site specific plans, but are able to place the development within the context of the surrounding neighborhood (urban or residential). I personally know 2 or 3 of each that live within a few miles of here.</p>
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		<title>By: Pennster</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/07/11/development-28/comment-page-1/#comment-1177</link>
		<dc:creator>Pennster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woodsider is right.  The only people that MIGHT have concerns are the ones who live directly across Spring Street from the development.  As long as the development makes better use of its Georgia Avenue frontage and does not rely as much on Spring Street for traffic entrance/exits, traffic concerns of those in the adjacent should be kept to a minimum.  As it is, it is not easy to get into that portion of Woodside from Spring Street.  Spring is mostly used as a through street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woodsider is right.  The only people that MIGHT have concerns are the ones who live directly across Spring Street from the development.  As long as the development makes better use of its Georgia Avenue frontage and does not rely as much on Spring Street for traffic entrance/exits, traffic concerns of those in the adjacent should be kept to a minimum.  As it is, it is not easy to get into that portion of Woodside from Spring Street.  Spring is mostly used as a through street.</p>
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		<title>By: Woodsider</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/07/11/development-28/comment-page-1/#comment-1176</link>
		<dc:creator>Woodsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You probably shouldn&#039;t lump all Woodside residents in with the NIMBY group. Not only am I in favor of the development this site and others in the DTSS core, but everyone of my neighbors is as well.  We all know that what is good for DTSS is good for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably shouldn&#8217;t lump all Woodside residents in with the NIMBY group. Not only am I in favor of the development this site and others in the DTSS core, but everyone of my neighbors is as well.  We all know that what is good for DTSS is good for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Silver Springer</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/07/11/development-28/comment-page-1/#comment-1175</link>
		<dc:creator>Silver Springer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that ghastly Park and Planning headquarters design was completely thrown out. I really don’t know what the Smith Group was thinking; I think I vomited in my mouth a little bit when I first saw it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that ghastly Park and Planning headquarters design was completely thrown out. I really don’t know what the Smith Group was thinking; I think I vomited in my mouth a little bit when I first saw it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pennster</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/07/11/development-28/comment-page-1/#comment-1173</link>
		<dc:creator>Pennster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to add...

This is an opportunity to show the rest of the county and region what a mixed-use development should look like.  Since the Planning Department is initiating this project, it will be looked upon as an example for developments across the area.  If they mess up and don&#039;t include denser residential, office space, as well as retail, the department will probably be derided in the future for not taking their own advice and creating a smart, transit-oriented development in a dense urban area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to add&#8230;</p>
<p>This is an opportunity to show the rest of the county and region what a mixed-use development should look like.  Since the Planning Department is initiating this project, it will be looked upon as an example for developments across the area.  If they mess up and don&#8217;t include denser residential, office space, as well as retail, the department will probably be derided in the future for not taking their own advice and creating a smart, transit-oriented development in a dense urban area.</p>
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		<title>By: Pennster</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/07/11/development-28/comment-page-1/#comment-1172</link>
		<dc:creator>Pennster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the end, this project will not be toned down because of some concerns of Woodside residents.  Across the fairly wide and leafy Spring Street lay some townhomes behind even more trees, as well as a few other single family homes which are already exposed to the mid- to highrises less than a block away.  We&#039;ve got some amazing people working on this project, and you can be sure that the planners here will be working their butts off to get what they want, while also taking in public concerns (with the knowledge that the extremely small minority against the denser parts of this project will be the most vocal).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the end, this project will not be toned down because of some concerns of Woodside residents.  Across the fairly wide and leafy Spring Street lay some townhomes behind even more trees, as well as a few other single family homes which are already exposed to the mid- to highrises less than a block away.  We&#8217;ve got some amazing people working on this project, and you can be sure that the planners here will be working their butts off to get what they want, while also taking in public concerns (with the knowledge that the extremely small minority against the denser parts of this project will be the most vocal).</p>
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		<title>By: IHateYuppies</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/07/11/development-28/comment-page-1/#comment-1171</link>
		<dc:creator>IHateYuppies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob makes some good points.  My concern is that the interests of the Woodside community might impede future developments in the downtown area.

I have always been suspicious about the motives of Woodside residents.  The exchange between Councilman Elrich and several posters in the Silver Spring Scene blog further supports my feeling that Woodside residents want to curb economic development and residential projects.  There are some fairly influential people who live in the Woodside community and they have the ear of key Montgomery County officials.  A luxury that Silver Spring residents in LESS prosperous neighborhoods can afford.  

We need more housing in downtown Silver Spring:  more condos, more rentals.  A higher supply of housing in DTSS means more affordable living for middle class people.   The Woodsiders are more inclined to fight such developments because of traffic concerns--quality of life concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob makes some good points.  My concern is that the interests of the Woodside community might impede future developments in the downtown area.</p>
<p>I have always been suspicious about the motives of Woodside residents.  The exchange between Councilman Elrich and several posters in the Silver Spring Scene blog further supports my feeling that Woodside residents want to curb economic development and residential projects.  There are some fairly influential people who live in the Woodside community and they have the ear of key Montgomery County officials.  A luxury that Silver Spring residents in LESS prosperous neighborhoods can afford.  </p>
<p>We need more housing in downtown Silver Spring:  more condos, more rentals.  A higher supply of housing in DTSS means more affordable living for middle class people.   The Woodsiders are more inclined to fight such developments because of traffic concerns&#8211;quality of life concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: Borderline</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/07/11/development-28/comment-page-1/#comment-1170</link>
		<dc:creator>Borderline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to continue developing the downtown core so that smart growth occurs. There are many areas of the core that are bordering sections of single family homes. This is a neccessary change that residents of those homes will have to adjust to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to continue developing the downtown core so that smart growth occurs. There are many areas of the core that are bordering sections of single family homes. This is a neccessary change that residents of those homes will have to adjust to.</p>
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		<title>By: paul_silver_spring</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/07/11/development-28/comment-page-1/#comment-1167</link>
		<dc:creator>paul_silver_spring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The same number of new citizens are going to enter the country every year.  The same number of people are going to have babies. The same number of jobs are going to draw people to the washington region.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Build big tall residential building within walking distance to mass transit, and a larger percentage of the population is going to get to work using environmentally sustainable methods that take traffic OFF of the congested highways. Sure, some of those people will drive to work.  But better they do it from downtown SS than from Columbia.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Restrictive &quot;congestion&quot; regulations and complaints should be banned from discussion of projects within 3/4 of a mile walking distance... 1 mile or so line of sight of any rail station, metro, marc or otherwise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I love woodside, I do, it&#039;s a beautiful neighborhood - but I can&#039;t afford going-on 1mil for a home, and neither can a lot of other people.  The more residential there is in walking distance of transit, the more people can afford to live in a sustainable manner.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That sight isn&#039;t even within view of 95% of woodside, there&#039;s MAYBE a dozen homes across spring street that will even be able to see it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same number of new citizens are going to enter the country every year.  The same number of people are going to have babies. The same number of jobs are going to draw people to the washington region.</p>
<p>Build big tall residential building within walking distance to mass transit, and a larger percentage of the population is going to get to work using environmentally sustainable methods that take traffic OFF of the congested highways. Sure, some of those people will drive to work.  But better they do it from downtown SS than from Columbia.</p>
<p>Restrictive &#8220;congestion&#8221; regulations and complaints should be banned from discussion of projects within 3/4 of a mile walking distance&#8230; 1 mile or so line of sight of any rail station, metro, marc or otherwise.</p>
<p>I love woodside, I do, it&#8217;s a beautiful neighborhood &#8211; but I can&#8217;t afford going-on 1mil for a home, and neither can a lot of other people.  The more residential there is in walking distance of transit, the more people can afford to live in a sustainable manner.</p>
<p>That sight isn&#8217;t even within view of 95% of woodside, there&#8217;s MAYBE a dozen homes across spring street that will even be able to see it.</p>
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