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		<title>By: The Silver Spring Penguin &#124; News, Views, Stuff &#187; &#187; New top cop warns: Not on my watch</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/05/29/news-30/comment-page-1/#comment-965</link>
		<dc:creator>The Silver Spring Penguin &#124; News, Views, Stuff &#187; &#187; New top cop warns: Not on my watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 22-year veteran takes the wheel at a time when understaffing and cop suspensions have taxed the Silver Spring [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Deseo</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/05/29/news-30/comment-page-1/#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Deseo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Keep rockin&#039; that bad-ass tag, Johnny Blaze! You asked:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Have there really been all that many instances of crime around the Ellsworth corridor?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My stats come from the MoCo PD&#039;s crime updates. Those numbers are what they are. In this story, Lt Auger does not present hard numbers, but he says:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“There’s definitely a gang presence down there,” ... While the problem isn’t huge, Auger said downtown’s human swarms make it difficult to keep the area in check.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe the perception of crime depends on one&#039;s expectations of Silver Spring&#039;s revitalization. For some, one fight on Ellsworth Drive marks the end of civilization. For others, it&#039;s just teens being stupid.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep rockin&#8217; that bad-ass tag, Johnny Blaze! You asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Have there really been all that many instances of crime around the Ellsworth corridor?</p>
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<p>My stats come from the MoCo PD&#8217;s crime updates. Those numbers are what they are. In this story, Lt Auger does not present hard numbers, but he says:</p>
<blockquote><p>“There’s definitely a gang presence down there,” &#8230; While the problem isn’t huge, Auger said downtown’s human swarms make it difficult to keep the area in check.</p>
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<p>I believe the perception of crime depends on one&#8217;s expectations of Silver Spring&#8217;s revitalization. For some, one fight on Ellsworth Drive marks the end of civilization. For others, it&#8217;s just teens being stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny blaze</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/05/29/news-30/comment-page-1/#comment-941</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny blaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of comments:

First, the whole &quot;Metro Theory&quot; of crime in Silver Spring is just plain loony. As someone pointed out, there are Metro stations in Bethesda, but you don&#039;t see groups of marauding teens roaming the downtown over there. 

I&#039;ll present a different theory: It&#039;s called &quot;Hit &#039;Em Where They Ain&#039;t&quot;. Coined for a no-brainer baseball strategy, it applies rather well to the situation here in Silver Spring. Criminals aren&#039;t stupid. They commit crimes in areas that present the possibly of high rewards and low risk of getting caught. So, downtown SS, with its--what, three?--cops for every 5,000 visitors is a great place to operate. And the prospects are even better in the residential areas around the city center.

I would argue, based on anecdotal evidence and a weekly reading of the local paper&#039;s crime page, that the actual incidence of crime is *higher* in the residential neighborhoods surrounding downtown, than it is in the Ellsworth open-mall area. 

(Does anyone have actual numbers to compare? Jennifer? Have there really been all that many instances of crime around the Ellsworth corridor? I&#039;m really interested, because--let&#039;s be frank--a lot of [white] people have a false sense of  fear down there simply because they&#039;re made &quot;uncomfortable&quot; by the presence of black and brown teenagers. Granted, some of those teens are being &quot;loud&quot; or &quot;rude&quot;--but nothing out of the realm of ordinary teen behavior.)

Anyway, Bethesda doesn&#039;t have these problems for a few reasons. 

1) Cops are visible and responsive over there.

2) Bethesda doesn&#039;t border the kinds of DC neighborhoods that Silver Spring borders. Are there any movie theaters or shopping areas in Petworth or whatever? No. Kids in those neighborhoods come here because its closer than downtown DC and easy to get to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of comments:</p>
<p>First, the whole &#8220;Metro Theory&#8221; of crime in Silver Spring is just plain loony. As someone pointed out, there are Metro stations in Bethesda, but you don&#8217;t see groups of marauding teens roaming the downtown over there. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll present a different theory: It&#8217;s called &#8220;Hit &#8216;Em Where They Ain&#8217;t&#8221;. Coined for a no-brainer baseball strategy, it applies rather well to the situation here in Silver Spring. Criminals aren&#8217;t stupid. They commit crimes in areas that present the possibly of high rewards and low risk of getting caught. So, downtown SS, with its&#8211;what, three?&#8211;cops for every 5,000 visitors is a great place to operate. And the prospects are even better in the residential areas around the city center.</p>
<p>I would argue, based on anecdotal evidence and a weekly reading of the local paper&#8217;s crime page, that the actual incidence of crime is *higher* in the residential neighborhoods surrounding downtown, than it is in the Ellsworth open-mall area. </p>
<p>(Does anyone have actual numbers to compare? Jennifer? Have there really been all that many instances of crime around the Ellsworth corridor? I&#8217;m really interested, because&#8211;let&#8217;s be frank&#8211;a lot of [white] people have a false sense of  fear down there simply because they&#8217;re made &#8220;uncomfortable&#8221; by the presence of black and brown teenagers. Granted, some of those teens are being &#8220;loud&#8221; or &#8220;rude&#8221;&#8211;but nothing out of the realm of ordinary teen behavior.)</p>
<p>Anyway, Bethesda doesn&#8217;t have these problems for a few reasons. </p>
<p>1) Cops are visible and responsive over there.</p>
<p>2) Bethesda doesn&#8217;t border the kinds of DC neighborhoods that Silver Spring borders. Are there any movie theaters or shopping areas in Petworth or whatever? No. Kids in those neighborhoods come here because its closer than downtown DC and easy to get to.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/05/29/news-30/comment-page-1/#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have lived in ESS for 22 years and always found it walkable and convenient.  However, recently Police Captain Betsy Davis warned us that crime is definitely up in the area (14-18% depending on source) and that it is too dangerous to walk alone anywhere in our neighborhood after dark. She said she would not even walk alone with a dog.

The irony is that now that the downtown has been rennovated, I am driving more than I ever have and walking less.

Whatever you believe the reason is for this change, it has changed by quality of life and I will be working toward solutions, including pushing the County for more protection.

Whatever the reason, it is sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lived in ESS for 22 years and always found it walkable and convenient.  However, recently Police Captain Betsy Davis warned us that crime is definitely up in the area (14-18% depending on source) and that it is too dangerous to walk alone anywhere in our neighborhood after dark. She said she would not even walk alone with a dog.</p>
<p>The irony is that now that the downtown has been rennovated, I am driving more than I ever have and walking less.</p>
<p>Whatever you believe the reason is for this change, it has changed by quality of life and I will be working toward solutions, including pushing the County for more protection.</p>
<p>Whatever the reason, it is sad.</p>
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		<title>By: paul_silver_spring</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul_silver_spring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question.. what does Ellsworth being private property have to do with it?  Do the police not have an obligation to protect members of the community everywhere within the county?  And I would argue as well, that ellsworth is defacto public space.  It&#039;s not like we&#039;re talking about increased police presence in my apartment lobby here - although if there was a gang presence there, I&#039;d be all for it.  Anywho... my instinct tells me that because of the way the public uses (and is allowed to use) the ellsworth &quot;plaza&quot; it&#039;s public space for all practical purposes and the police should protect it as they do any other place where citizens gather.  Anywho.. that&#039;s my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question.. what does Ellsworth being private property have to do with it?  Do the police not have an obligation to protect members of the community everywhere within the county?  And I would argue as well, that ellsworth is defacto public space.  It&#8217;s not like we&#8217;re talking about increased police presence in my apartment lobby here &#8211; although if there was a gang presence there, I&#8217;d be all for it.  Anywho&#8230; my instinct tells me that because of the way the public uses (and is allowed to use) the ellsworth &#8220;plaza&#8221; it&#8217;s public space for all practical purposes and the police should protect it as they do any other place where citizens gather.  Anywho.. that&#8217;s my two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Fed up?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fed up?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see hippies and liberals in Downtown Silver Spring? I see people of ALL AGES dressing and acting like low-class individuals. I see them walking around being loud and rude, driving with no consideration toward others, loitering in the parking lots, etc. It is really disgusting. People who clearly don&#039;t know how to act seem to flock to the area. And those are the people presumably following the laws!

I fully believe that there is an increase in crime. Especially since my neighbors had their car to broken in to just the other day. And we live on one of the &quot;nicer streets.&quot; 

Please stop trying to change the argument to something political. The point here is the increase in crime and the fact that the MoCo police don&#039;t have the man power to address the crowded situation Downtown. Last time I checked, criminals will hit a target regardless of their political beliefs. What are we citizens going to do about it? Stop blaming and start brainstorming!

Thank you for your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see hippies and liberals in Downtown Silver Spring? I see people of ALL AGES dressing and acting like low-class individuals. I see them walking around being loud and rude, driving with no consideration toward others, loitering in the parking lots, etc. It is really disgusting. People who clearly don&#8217;t know how to act seem to flock to the area. And those are the people presumably following the laws!</p>
<p>I fully believe that there is an increase in crime. Especially since my neighbors had their car to broken in to just the other day. And we live on one of the &#8220;nicer streets.&#8221; </p>
<p>Please stop trying to change the argument to something political. The point here is the increase in crime and the fact that the MoCo police don&#8217;t have the man power to address the crowded situation Downtown. Last time I checked, criminals will hit a target regardless of their political beliefs. What are we citizens going to do about it? Stop blaming and start brainstorming!</p>
<p>Thank you for your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop being afraid of kids</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop being afraid of kids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Fed up democrat has a good point.  People that live in Downtown Silver Spring area think they own the entire city.  All they do is complain to the city and local business owners.  Let the businesses do their jobs.  I’ve never seen a large group of hippies, cry babies, democrats and liberals in one place before.  I say the police should place the city in lock down since everyone thinks it’s a city of crime.  This is the city of catch 22’s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Fed up democrat has a good point.  People that live in Downtown Silver Spring area think they own the entire city.  All they do is complain to the city and local business owners.  Let the businesses do their jobs.  I’ve never seen a large group of hippies, cry babies, democrats and liberals in one place before.  I say the police should place the city in lock down since everyone thinks it’s a city of crime.  This is the city of catch 22’s.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Deseo</title>
		<link>http://silverspringpenguin.com/2007/05/29/news-30/comment-page-1/#comment-920</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Deseo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fed-up Dem wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The so-called gangs are just young kids with nothing better to do. ... You can thank the metro for our problems.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are indeed kids who have nothing better to do than work out their Ultimate Fighting moves on the turf. 

Then there are kids who deal drugs, tag private property and mug people as an &quot;organized&quot; (used loosely) group. Those are the gangs that Lt Auger spoke of.

As far as Metro being the root of crime in Silver Spring, I would disagree. Long Branch and parts of Takoma Park have issues with crime, but no Metro in sight. Ditto for Gaithersburg.

Ultimately, I believe crime is about the haves versus the have-nots, and I&#039;m not just talking about money.

Thanks for sharing your views, Fed Up Dem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fed-up Dem wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The so-called gangs are just young kids with nothing better to do. &#8230; You can thank the metro for our problems.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>There are indeed kids who have nothing better to do than work out their Ultimate Fighting moves on the turf. </p>
<p>Then there are kids who deal drugs, tag private property and mug people as an &#8220;organized&#8221; (used loosely) group. Those are the gangs that Lt Auger spoke of.</p>
<p>As far as Metro being the root of crime in Silver Spring, I would disagree. Long Branch and parts of Takoma Park have issues with crime, but no Metro in sight. Ditto for Gaithersburg.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I believe crime is about the haves versus the have-nots, and I&#8217;m not just talking about money.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your views, Fed Up Dem.</p>
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		<title>By: Fed up?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fed up?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your name is &quot;fed up democrat&quot; and your bashing liberals? I don&#039;t get it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a metro station in Downtown Bethesda. Do they have the same problems? Maybe you should stop being so &quot;fed up&quot; and start &quot;looking up&quot; your sources (and your spelling).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Editor&#039;s note: Do our county&#039;s public-education system proud -- PLEASE check your spelling and avoid text-messaging abbreviations. Thank you! (June 6, 2007)&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your name is &#8220;fed up democrat&#8221; and your bashing liberals? I don&#8217;t get it. </p>
<p>There is a metro station in Downtown Bethesda. Do they have the same problems? Maybe you should stop being so &#8220;fed up&#8221; and start &#8220;looking up&#8221; your sources (and your spelling).</p>
<p><em>Editor&#8217;s note: Do our county&#8217;s public-education system proud &#8212; PLEASE check your spelling and avoid text-messaging abbreviations. Thank you! (June 6, 2007)</em></p>
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		<title>By: Fed up democrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fed up democrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The so-called gangs are just young kids with nothing better to do.  The parents just drop there kids off and let them do what ever they want.  If any liberals no where I can find a town with out crime, please let me know.  You can thank the metro for our problems.  So don’t blame the police or the so called rent a cops, blame your selves for being so liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The so-called gangs are just young kids with nothing better to do.  The parents just drop there kids off and let them do what ever they want.  If any liberals no where I can find a town with out crime, please let me know.  You can thank the metro for our problems.  So don’t blame the police or the so called rent a cops, blame your selves for being so liberal.</p>
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